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Have you been going into the office?

No, they keep pushing back the date we’ll reopen. But I think President Biden’s announcement that there should be enough vaccine by the end of May as opposed to the end of July may spur businesses to open a little earlier than they were planning.

I mean, it’s amazing what adults in the room can do. Trump had 400 million vaccine doses. But he kind of dumped them on states, and said, “That’s your problem now.”

So it’s been good that Biden has been working with Gavin on setting up vaccination sites in Oakland and Cal State L.A. Their interests are aligned.

What about everything before that? Do you think that criticisms of Governor Newsom — for abruptly changing directions and confusing messaging around restrictions, for example, or his French Laundry dinner — have been unfair?

The simple answer is I really believe he’s done a very good job under very trying circumstances. I can’t remember a governor since World War II who’s had so many things to deal with at the same time.

The pandemic, keeping people alive, shutting down the economy to do that, wildfires, social unrest — there was no precedent to point to. There have been some midcourse corrections but at the end of the day, people understand we are essentially in a war.

So given that, you just have to look at the numbers. Most states have lost more lives per capita.

The governor is seeing a credible recall effort. I have to ask how you think this moment compares with 2003 and your experience being recalled. Do you think political division is more intense now?