Democrats are giving themselves some room for movement in bipartisan congressional negotiations over border security funding.
Less than a week after the shutdown ended, House Democrats are walking a fine line of avoiding being seen as soft on Trump’s goal of building a wall while also not appearing obstinate in talks aimed at preventing another shutdown.
Democratic lawmakers on Wednesday downplayed the need for physical barriers during the first meeting of the bicameral committee tasked with finding a border security compromise by Feb. 15. But they also didn’t close the door entirely.
“Smart border security is not overly reliant on physical barriers, which the Trump administration has failed to demonstrate are cost effective compared to better technology and more personnel,” House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Nita LoweyNita Sue LoweyOn The Money: Fed holds rates steady | Dems hint they are open to border deal with Trump | House plans hearing on bill requiring presidential tax returns Dems signal flexibility at border meeting Lawmakers seeking to avoid new shutdown meet for first time MORE (D-N.Y.) said at the conference meeting.
When asked afterward if physical barriers are off the table, Lowey was noncommittal.
“At this point, I’m certainly not going to give an answer to that question,” she told reporters.
Rep. Henry Cuellar (Texas), a centrist Democrat on the 17-member conference committee, said House Democrats were approaching the negotiations in staunch opposition to any new barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border.
“The bottom line is, my position is no,” Cuellar said shortly before the start of the conference meeting.
But Cuellar, who represents a district along the Mexican border, also hinted that there’s room for give-and-take.
“I’m saying no, but we’re negotiators and we’ll talk,” he said.
Trump dug in on his demand for a border wall Wednesday ahead of the conference meeting.“If the committee of Republicans and Democrats now meeting on Border Security is not discussing or contemplating a Wall or Physical Barrier, they are Wasting their time!” Trump tweeted.
House Democratic conferees unveiled the outline of a border security proposal that calls for funding 1,000 new customs officers; new technology at ports of entry to scan vehicles for illicit drugs; equipment for mail processing facilities to detect opioids; and repair projects at ports of entry.
For now, Democrats are not agreeing to money for new barriers.
“We want to follow the facts. But what we can’t do is arbitrarily give a number for a border wall that we don’t feel is effective and allocate funding for that,” said Rep. Pete AguilarPeter (Pete) Ray AguilarNo GOP appetite for a second shutdown Border security that is smart, just and merciful Some Dems float idea of primary challenge for Ocasio-Cortez MORE (D-Calif.), another conference committee member, after Wednesday’s meeting.
Democratic leaders also aren’t shooting down the possibility of physical barriers.
House Democratic Caucus Chairman Hakeem JeffriesHakeem Sekou JeffriesHouse Dems postpone annual retreat amid border negotiations The Hill’s Morning Report – Negotiators face long odds to reach immigration truce No GOP appetite for a second shutdown MORE (N.Y.) said at a press briefing Tuesday that his party is willing to support certain “fencing” that falls short of a full-scale border wall.
“We do not support a medieval border wall from sea to shining sea,” Jeffries said. “However, we are willing to support fencing where it makes sense. But it should be done in an evidence-based fashion.”
House Majority Leader Steny HoyerSteny Hamilton HoyerHouse approves pay raise for federal workers Lawmakers seeking to avoid new shutdown meet for first time No GOP appetite for a second shutdown MORE (D-Md.) also didn’t rule out the possibility of Democrats accepting new fencing.
“The negotiations of the conference committee are going to be hopefully directed at, how do we best make our borders secure, and they will come up with an answer to that question and propose it,” Hoyer told reporters Tuesday.
House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie ThompsonBennie Gordon ThompsonHillicon Valley: Mueller alleges Russians used case files to discredit his probe | Trump blasts intel leaders | Facebook ends 2018 with record profits | Judge refuses request to unseal possible Assange charges Nielsen meets with NFL officials to discuss Super Bowl security House Homeland Security chairman echoes calls for ‘smart wall’ MORE (D-Miss.) said “there’s room for a conversation” about whether certain barriers might be the best security strategy in some places along the border.
“I have a record of supporting barriers in the past, so I’m not running from that,” Thompson said Wednesday. “I just think that over time you have to develop and see whether or not there are ways of accomplishing what you want other than barriers, if it can be accomplished. Some places, barriers are probably the optimal.”
Democrats have previously voted for authorizing fencing; in 2006, they supported about 700 miles of fencing along the southern border. A total of 64 House Democrats and 26 Senate Democrats voted for it, including Senate Minority Leader Charles SchumerCharles (Chuck) Ellis SchumerHey team, loyalty means we don’t whine ‘Trump is a wimp’ Dems tap Stacey Abrams to give response to Trump’s State of the Union The wall versus the shutdown: Comparing costs MORE (N.Y.).
But some Democrats now question the semantics of authorizing money for something called a “fence” or “barrier” versus a “wall.”
“We’ve been very clear on our position on the wall. And just because you call it something else doesn’t mean it’s still not a border barrier,” said Rep. Pramila JayapalPramila Jayapal‘Medicare for all’ opens up Dem divide GOP lawmaker defends intel officials: ‘They are doing a pretty good job’ Progressives want Dem bill to require presidents release business tax returns MORE (D-Wash.), co-chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
When asked Wednesday if a border security deal could include physical barriers, another progressive Democrat, Rep. Raúl Grijalva (Ariz.) replied, “At this point, no.”
“I’ll see what the details of that are and how they define that. But, you know, wall across the border is ridiculous. The cost is ridiculous,” said Grijalva, whose district includes part of the border with Mexico.
Republicans are also indicating room for compromise on the border wall fight.
House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthyKevin Owen McCarthyGOP announces members who will serve on House intel panel House resolution condemning government shutdowns falls short in floor vote Boehner blames ‘knuckleheads in Congress’ who listen to talk radio for shutdown MORE (R-Calif.) told reporters on Tuesday that “it doesn’t have to be a wall.”
“Physical barriers would be fine,” McCarthy said, adding that the terms “wall” and “barrier” are equivalent to him and Trump.
“Inside the meetings we’ve had, he’s said it could be a barrier, it could be a wall,” McCarthy said. “Because what a barrier does, it’s still the same thing. It’s the 30-foot steel slat, that’s a barrier.”
Mike Lillis contributed.
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